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	<description>- dedicated to molecular gastronomy</description>
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		<title>By: edwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.khymos.org/2007/01/14/ingredients-for-molecular-gastronomy/comment-page-1/#comment-110739</link>
		<dc:creator>edwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im from the philippines and molecular gastronomy is quite new.

one of the commonly use item would be sodium alginate ... is this the same alginate dental supplies sell ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im from the philippines and molecular gastronomy is quite new.</p>
<p>one of the commonly use item would be sodium alginate &#8230; is this the same alginate dental supplies sell ?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://blog.khymos.org/2007/01/14/ingredients-for-molecular-gastronomy/comment-page-1/#comment-28921</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, that I could not agree with you in 100% regarding Ingredients for molecular gastronomy, but it&#039;s just my opinion, which could be wrong :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, that I could not agree with you in 100% regarding Ingredients for molecular gastronomy, but it&#8217;s just my opinion, which could be wrong <img src='http://blog.khymos.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: blog.khymos.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Practical molecular gastronomy, part 4</title>
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		<dc:creator>blog.khymos.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Practical molecular gastronomy, part 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Emulsifiers, thickeners and gelling agents have almost become synonymous with molecular gastronomy for many. They can greatly alter the texture of foods and typically only a very small amount is required. Where gelatin was the only gelling agent videly available to cooks in Europe and America only a decade ago, this has changed with the advent of many internet suppliers of speciality ingredients. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Emulsifiers, thickeners and gelling agents have almost become synonymous with molecular gastronomy for many. They can greatly alter the texture of foods and typically only a very small amount is required. Where gelatin was the only gelling agent videly available to cooks in Europe and America only a decade ago, this has changed with the advent of many internet suppliers of speciality ingredients. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pharmacy advisor</title>
		<link>http://blog.khymos.org/2007/01/14/ingredients-for-molecular-gastronomy/comment-page-1/#comment-3388</link>
		<dc:creator>Pharmacy advisor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether it is necessary to accept food additives at regular playing sports? Food additives are how much really useful? WBR LeoP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether it is necessary to accept food additives at regular playing sports? Food additives are how much really useful? WBR LeoP</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Lersch</title>
		<link>http://blog.khymos.org/2007/01/14/ingredients-for-molecular-gastronomy/comment-page-1/#comment-3277</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Lersch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy - thank you for your comments. I can understand your objections, but there are a couple of things you should consider (and Erik touches upon some of this). Most of the ingredients I listed are texture modifiers. In a normal (western) kitchen you only have a handful of texture modifers at hand: gelatin, pectin, corn starch, potatoe starch and flour. I didn&#039;t include preservatives, colours, anti-oxidants etc. since these are not by far as interesting for molecular gastronomy as they are for the food industry where shelf life is a key paramter. 

Most of the compounds listed are natural products in the sence that they are purified extracts from plant tissues. Yes - they do have an E-number (and even a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_number&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CAS&lt;/a&gt; number, a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EINECS_number&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EINECS&lt;/a&gt; number etc. if you bother to search them up) - and of course they are made up of molecules and atoms. But so does all the other food you eat as well. Food is chemistry!

I agree with your statement that &quot;molecular cooking&quot; is not just about the additives used. But the reason I compiled the list is more to let cooks - both professional and at home - see what ingredients are available. These ingredients are not mentioned in cookbooks, grocery stores do not sell them and generally people have very little knowledge about them. Also, many of them are difficult to get hold of in small quantities. That&#039;s why I have compiled a list of suppliers.

Having said this, I should also add that texture modifiers are only one small aspect of molecular gastronomy. I guess my latest post on how to prepare a &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.khymos.org/2007/01/21/perfect-steak-with-diy-sous-vide-cooking/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;perfect steak&lt;/a&gt; illustrates that temperature alone can also do a lot with the texture of meat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy &#8211; thank you for your comments. I can understand your objections, but there are a couple of things you should consider (and Erik touches upon some of this). Most of the ingredients I listed are texture modifiers. In a normal (western) kitchen you only have a handful of texture modifers at hand: gelatin, pectin, corn starch, potatoe starch and flour. I didn&#8217;t include preservatives, colours, anti-oxidants etc. since these are not by far as interesting for molecular gastronomy as they are for the food industry where shelf life is a key paramter. </p>
<p>Most of the compounds listed are natural products in the sence that they are purified extracts from plant tissues. Yes &#8211; they do have an E-number (and even a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_number" rel="nofollow">CAS</a> number, a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EINECS_number" rel="nofollow">EINECS</a> number etc. if you bother to search them up) &#8211; and of course they are made up of molecules and atoms. But so does all the other food you eat as well. Food is chemistry!</p>
<p>I agree with your statement that &#8220;molecular cooking&#8221; is not just about the additives used. But the reason I compiled the list is more to let cooks &#8211; both professional and at home &#8211; see what ingredients are available. These ingredients are not mentioned in cookbooks, grocery stores do not sell them and generally people have very little knowledge about them. Also, many of them are difficult to get hold of in small quantities. That&#8217;s why I have compiled a list of suppliers.</p>
<p>Having said this, I should also add that texture modifiers are only one small aspect of molecular gastronomy. I guess my latest post on how to prepare a <a href="http://blog.khymos.org/2007/01/21/perfect-steak-with-diy-sous-vide-cooking/" rel="nofollow">perfect steak</a> illustrates that temperature alone can also do a lot with the texture of meat.</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik, you make some very good points. 

I especially agree with you that one should remain honest. I feel that this is the most important rule, because if one is just using additives to &quot;cheat&quot; then to me this defeats the purpose of cooking.

At madeleines (www.madeleines.dk) we are very proud of the application of science in our kitchen and will quite happily discuss what additives we use and how. In fact our dry goods storage has some of the products mentioned in the above list.

I suppose the point that I&#039;m trying to make is that molecular cooking is not just about the  additives used. For me the processes involved are just as, or more important. Low temperature cooking for meat being one of these processes. 

I feel that the application of science in cooking will take a long time to filter down to the  general public, because they view MG as adding unatural things to food and in our age of increasing organic awareness this is seen as a bad thing. As the title of this post suggests, additives are required to be able to practice MG. This is just not true! The general public will be practising MG as soon as they start roasting their meat at lower temperatures for longer.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik, you make some very good points. </p>
<p>I especially agree with you that one should remain honest. I feel that this is the most important rule, because if one is just using additives to &#8220;cheat&#8221; then to me this defeats the purpose of cooking.</p>
<p>At madeleines (www.madeleines.dk) we are very proud of the application of science in our kitchen and will quite happily discuss what additives we use and how. In fact our dry goods storage has some of the products mentioned in the above list.</p>
<p>I suppose the point that I&#8217;m trying to make is that molecular cooking is not just about the  additives used. For me the processes involved are just as, or more important. Low temperature cooking for meat being one of these processes. </p>
<p>I feel that the application of science in cooking will take a long time to filter down to the  general public, because they view MG as adding unatural things to food and in our age of increasing organic awareness this is seen as a bad thing. As the title of this post suggests, additives are required to be able to practice MG. This is just not true! The general public will be practising MG as soon as they start roasting their meat at lower temperatures for longer&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Fooladi</title>
		<link>http://blog.khymos.org/2007/01/14/ingredients-for-molecular-gastronomy/comment-page-1/#comment-3246</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Fooladi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,

as an amateur home cook and science (chemistry) teacher trainer, I&#039;d say that the distinction between what is experienced as &quot;chemical additives&quot; (with it&#039;s corresponding E-number) and what you could call &quot;high-integrity ingredients&quot; is not always well defined. To me, as a Norwegian, some thickeners or gelling agents common in the far east seem rather alien, while gelatine is familiar because I&#039;ve grown up with it. On the ther hand, all of them may be industrially produced (even synthesised) and have their respective E-numbers although the originally were harvested/produced in other ways.

In fact, this kind of discussions are common in science/chemistry science curricula in teacher training all around. In my opinion, there&#039;s no conclusive answer to this interesting quiestion, but one guideline could possibly be whether the additives are minor or major ingredients(?) Or maybe, where do the other ingredients (apart from the methyl cellulose) come from?

Anyhow, everything we eat is composed of molecules, and each compound will have it&#039;s systematic chemical name, even in an organically produced egg.

Hervé This comments somewhere on food/Molecular gastronomy being a meeting point for art and science. If we consider great cooking to be an art, I&#039;d guess it&#039;s a little like being a musician: do you play some impressing licks to show off, or do you play them because you truly believe it&#039;ll make the music better? If the first is the case, I think it&#039;s just as ok to skip the additives (or hot guitar licks). However, if you have an idea that this really makes a difference, go for it. 

Summing up, I&#039;d say that a key to this may be as simple as being honest, or...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>as an amateur home cook and science (chemistry) teacher trainer, I&#8217;d say that the distinction between what is experienced as &#8220;chemical additives&#8221; (with it&#8217;s corresponding E-number) and what you could call &#8220;high-integrity ingredients&#8221; is not always well defined. To me, as a Norwegian, some thickeners or gelling agents common in the far east seem rather alien, while gelatine is familiar because I&#8217;ve grown up with it. On the ther hand, all of them may be industrially produced (even synthesised) and have their respective E-numbers although the originally were harvested/produced in other ways.</p>
<p>In fact, this kind of discussions are common in science/chemistry science curricula in teacher training all around. In my opinion, there&#8217;s no conclusive answer to this interesting quiestion, but one guideline could possibly be whether the additives are minor or major ingredients(?) Or maybe, where do the other ingredients (apart from the methyl cellulose) come from?</p>
<p>Anyhow, everything we eat is composed of molecules, and each compound will have it&#8217;s systematic chemical name, even in an organically produced egg.</p>
<p>Hervé This comments somewhere on food/Molecular gastronomy being a meeting point for art and science. If we consider great cooking to be an art, I&#8217;d guess it&#8217;s a little like being a musician: do you play some impressing licks to show off, or do you play them because you truly believe it&#8217;ll make the music better? If the first is the case, I think it&#8217;s just as ok to skip the additives (or hot guitar licks). However, if you have an idea that this really makes a difference, go for it. </p>
<p>Summing up, I&#8217;d say that a key to this may be as simple as being honest, or&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My buddy and I were discussing this the other day. We are both cooks and active in Molecular cooking, but we were talking about where to draw the line with e-numbers and additives. 

I strongly believe in applying science to cooking and challenging the public&#039;s perception of taste, sight, smell, sound.......etc. But at what point does it become too much and you are just adding e-numbers to stabilize a foam that is only a &quot;gimmick&quot; effect anyway.

At what point do we lose touch with our roots (high-quality, local, seasonal raw products) and just end up like the commercial giants putting methyl cellulose into our milkshakes (which are about as far removed from nourishing food as you can get!!) just because &quot;it improves the texture&quot;?

We never reached a conclusion. What do you think..........??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My buddy and I were discussing this the other day. We are both cooks and active in Molecular cooking, but we were talking about where to draw the line with e-numbers and additives. </p>
<p>I strongly believe in applying science to cooking and challenging the public&#8217;s perception of taste, sight, smell, sound&#8230;&#8230;.etc. But at what point does it become too much and you are just adding e-numbers to stabilize a foam that is only a &#8220;gimmick&#8221; effect anyway.</p>
<p>At what point do we lose touch with our roots (high-quality, local, seasonal raw products) and just end up like the commercial giants putting methyl cellulose into our milkshakes (which are about as far removed from nourishing food as you can get!!) just because &#8220;it improves the texture&#8221;?</p>
<p>We never reached a conclusion. What do you think&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.??</p>
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