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		<title>By: Hype cycle sightings beyond IT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hype cycle sightings beyond IT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Erin Swing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin Swing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin - I am so with you.  I am a Chemist, too with a lot of emphasis on organic synthesis and materials science.

Personally, I view cooking as a set of physical and chemical transformations.  I view MG as creativity connecting scientific applications to cooking; food science in research conducted in understanding food in it&#039;s various disciplines of biochemistry, chemistry, biology, mat. sci., etc.  Neither MG nor food science are plateauing; it is a matter of seeing non-obvious connections and applying those insights.

Look at the average cooks practices:  making vinaigrette - that is an emulsion making; monitoring internal temperature of meats - that is a very technical technique; making fudge or caramels - that is changing the sugar crystals into an amorphous phase post Malliard reaction (so many chemistry &amp; mat sci stuff going on here); salting items for browning - that is changing the water content of the surface.  My point is that people cooking in their kitchen do utilize chemical and physical methods a lot without realizing it; I think the difference lies in the creativity of the cook.  If they are employing more creativity, I view that as MG; where being more technical, just following instructions is utilizing food science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin &#8211; I am so with you.  I am a Chemist, too with a lot of emphasis on organic synthesis and materials science.</p>
<p>Personally, I view cooking as a set of physical and chemical transformations.  I view MG as creativity connecting scientific applications to cooking; food science in research conducted in understanding food in it&#8217;s various disciplines of biochemistry, chemistry, biology, mat. sci., etc.  Neither MG nor food science are plateauing; it is a matter of seeing non-obvious connections and applying those insights.</p>
<p>Look at the average cooks practices:  making vinaigrette &#8211; that is an emulsion making; monitoring internal temperature of meats &#8211; that is a very technical technique; making fudge or caramels &#8211; that is changing the sugar crystals into an amorphous phase post Malliard reaction (so many chemistry &amp; mat sci stuff going on here); salting items for browning &#8211; that is changing the water content of the surface.  My point is that people cooking in their kitchen do utilize chemical and physical methods a lot without realizing it; I think the difference lies in the creativity of the cook.  If they are employing more creativity, I view that as MG; where being more technical, just following instructions is utilizing food science.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 19:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On terminology
John: I like the word &quot;enabled&quot;. However, I&#039;d advocate the word &quot;cooking&quot; rather than &quot;cuisine&quot; as cooking makes it sound more general and relevant to the domestic kitchen. Although cuisine &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/cuisine?view=uk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;according to askOxford&lt;/a&gt; does not signify much more than cooking, in my mind the word is more what happens in restaurant kitchens rather than at home.

If MG should not be used for the &lt;i&gt;activity&lt;/i&gt;, as Hervé states, my conclusion of good/suitable words that could be included for this activity might be:

- cooking
- science or evidence (or research)
- enabled or based

I also like &quot;evidence based cooking&quot; as stated by Martin Enserink in his &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.khymos.org/2006/12/03/the-joy-of-evidence-based-cooking/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2006 Science article&lt;/a&gt; on MG and Hervé This. Maybe is &quot;science enabled cooking&quot; one of the best alternatives?

On the discipline
Hugh: I agree that there&#039;s a long way to go. It&#039;s really surprising that the microwave hasn&#039;t made the leap from thawing and warming fast food. However, things &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; moved a fair bit already. Good points by Alessio on this. I&#039;d be somewhat surprised if we don&#039;t see any of the results from MG/research reaching a general public soon. Hopefully, some of the less spectacular but more &quot;relevant&quot; or &quot;useful&quot; knowledge might hit the common man soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On terminology<br />
John: I like the word &#8220;enabled&#8221;. However, I&#8217;d advocate the word &#8220;cooking&#8221; rather than &#8220;cuisine&#8221; as cooking makes it sound more general and relevant to the domestic kitchen. Although cuisine <a href="http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/cuisine?view=uk" rel="nofollow">according to askOxford</a> does not signify much more than cooking, in my mind the word is more what happens in restaurant kitchens rather than at home.</p>
<p>If MG should not be used for the <i>activity</i>, as Hervé states, my conclusion of good/suitable words that could be included for this activity might be:</p>
<p>- cooking<br />
- science or evidence (or research)<br />
- enabled or based</p>
<p>I also like &#8220;evidence based cooking&#8221; as stated by Martin Enserink in his <a href="http://blog.khymos.org/2006/12/03/the-joy-of-evidence-based-cooking/" rel="nofollow">2006 Science article</a> on MG and Hervé This. Maybe is &#8220;science enabled cooking&#8221; one of the best alternatives?</p>
<p>On the discipline<br />
Hugh: I agree that there&#8217;s a long way to go. It&#8217;s really surprising that the microwave hasn&#8217;t made the leap from thawing and warming fast food. However, things <i>have</i> moved a fair bit already. Good points by Alessio on this. I&#8217;d be somewhat surprised if we don&#8217;t see any of the results from MG/research reaching a general public soon. Hopefully, some of the less spectacular but more &#8220;relevant&#8221; or &#8220;useful&#8221; knowledge might hit the common man soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Lersch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Lersch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it&#039;s certainly a kind of food science. I&#039;ve even been tempted to use the term &quot;popular food science&quot; some times. But molecular gastronomy is also different from food science. Leafing through food science journals I must say that a regrettably large fraction of the articles are quite uninteresting from a molecular gastronomy viewpoint... Don&#039;t get me wrong here - the science is interesting by itself, but it&#039;s not exactly results I can use in my own kitchen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it&#8217;s certainly a kind of food science. I&#8217;ve even been tempted to use the term &#8220;popular food science&#8221; some times. But molecular gastronomy is also different from food science. Leafing through food science journals I must say that a regrettably large fraction of the articles are quite uninteresting from a molecular gastronomy viewpoint&#8230; Don&#8217;t get me wrong here &#8211; the science is interesting by itself, but it&#8217;s not exactly results I can use in my own kitchen.</p>
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		<title>By: Lab Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lab Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But it is all just food science really:

http://cdavies.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/molecular-gastronomy-is-part-of-food-science/

Not that I am biased or anything :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it is all just food science really:</p>
<p><a href="http://cdavies.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/molecular-gastronomy-is-part-of-food-science/" rel="nofollow">http://cdavies.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/molecular-gastronomy-is-part-of-food-science/</a></p>
<p>Not that I am biased or anything <img src='http://blog.khymos.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alessio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alessio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my point of view, foams and spherifications are part of the &quot;peak of expectation&quot; phase. A new theory is proposed and its most spectacular application are the first to appear, to check its assumptions and to start the work of spread of the message. A bit like some new technologies, they might be at first developed for bellicose purposes but afterwards we might find them applyed in our kitchens....

So I think the we are just getting out of the &quot;Through&quot; caused by the fact that, pushed by the first applications of the theory, we thought that all its new application could be as spectacular. 
Understanding that what has been and still is being discovered with this new approach to cooking affects us even in our home kitchen, we are entering the next phase.

I wouldn&#039;t call it a &quot;plateau&quot; but more an asymptotic trend, with a moderate increasing slope. This would correspond to the phase where easy/most evident applications and advances of the theories are almost extinguished and we have just to start working for it as hard as in every other scientific field after their establishment.
The spreading of MG (intended as prof. This defines it) courses in professional environments like universities and schools, will allow the formation of more researchers, more thinking heads that will allow a continuous increase in the knowledges (this will contribute to the hopefully constancy of the progress rate). 

As concerning the acception of the words &quot;Molecular Gastronomy&quot;, I guess that a distinction between the theoretical and practical part of it, is due to be; if not merely socially, educationally for sure. 
When master in MG will be available (there are already PhD degrees available), we would like to distinguish between a chef and a scientist approach.
Astronomy is not the same thing as Astrophysics, for instance, both deal with the Universe but with different intents. So probably word like &quot;Gastrophysics&quot; or &quot;Gastro Sciences&quot; (&quot;Sciences Gourmandes&quot; seems more appealing though :p) should be formulated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my point of view, foams and spherifications are part of the &#8220;peak of expectation&#8221; phase. A new theory is proposed and its most spectacular application are the first to appear, to check its assumptions and to start the work of spread of the message. A bit like some new technologies, they might be at first developed for bellicose purposes but afterwards we might find them applyed in our kitchens&#8230;.</p>
<p>So I think the we are just getting out of the &#8220;Through&#8221; caused by the fact that, pushed by the first applications of the theory, we thought that all its new application could be as spectacular.<br />
Understanding that what has been and still is being discovered with this new approach to cooking affects us even in our home kitchen, we are entering the next phase.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call it a &#8220;plateau&#8221; but more an asymptotic trend, with a moderate increasing slope. This would correspond to the phase where easy/most evident applications and advances of the theories are almost extinguished and we have just to start working for it as hard as in every other scientific field after their establishment.<br />
The spreading of MG (intended as prof. This defines it) courses in professional environments like universities and schools, will allow the formation of more researchers, more thinking heads that will allow a continuous increase in the knowledges (this will contribute to the hopefully constancy of the progress rate). </p>
<p>As concerning the acception of the words &#8220;Molecular Gastronomy&#8221;, I guess that a distinction between the theoretical and practical part of it, is due to be; if not merely socially, educationally for sure.<br />
When master in MG will be available (there are already PhD degrees available), we would like to distinguish between a chef and a scientist approach.<br />
Astronomy is not the same thing as Astrophysics, for instance, both deal with the Universe but with different intents. So probably word like &#8220;Gastrophysics&#8221; or &#8220;Gastro Sciences&#8221; (&#8220;Sciences Gourmandes&#8221; seems more appealing though :p) should be formulated.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Lersch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Lersch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh, I even seem to remember food blogs predicting the &quot;end of molecular gastronomy&quot; one year ago. But just like &quot;Classic cooking&quot; will not end, neither will molecular gastronomy. There just won&#039;t be so much fuzz about it anymore, which is good! And I certainly agree that sous-vide is a perfect example of how molecular gastronomy has reached the average man. The all time most popular post here at Khymos is my post from 2007 on how to prepare a &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.khymos.org/2007/01/21/perfect-steak-with-diy-sous-vide-cooking/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Perfect steak with DIY sous vide&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.

Juan, you make a good point about whether people refuse the word or the approach as such. I guess most people refuse the word, rather than the approach. But that of course depends on what approaches people associate with the term. I think this is where some of the problem lies. I wonder if chefs refuse the term because people tend to associate it with foams and spheres, and nothing else? Even I would refuse the term then if cooking was my profession and I wouldn&#039;t want to be associated with gimmickery.

As a chemist I think &quot;molecular gastronomy&quot; is an OK term as long as we define it. It&#039;s a concept that lives it&#039;s life somewhere inbetween science and cooking, so I don&#039;t think it shouldn&#039;t be interpreted in a strict chemical sense.

Personally I&#039;m most interested in how science can improve my cooking at home. After all this is where I eat most of my meals. The result should either be something that tastes better in a broad sense, or perhaps a more fool proof and robust procedure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh, I even seem to remember food blogs predicting the &#8220;end of molecular gastronomy&#8221; one year ago. But just like &#8220;Classic cooking&#8221; will not end, neither will molecular gastronomy. There just won&#8217;t be so much fuzz about it anymore, which is good! And I certainly agree that sous-vide is a perfect example of how molecular gastronomy has reached the average man. The all time most popular post here at Khymos is my post from 2007 on how to prepare a <a href="http://blog.khymos.org/2007/01/21/perfect-steak-with-diy-sous-vide-cooking/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Perfect steak with DIY sous vide&#8221;</a>.</p>
<p>Juan, you make a good point about whether people refuse the word or the approach as such. I guess most people refuse the word, rather than the approach. But that of course depends on what approaches people associate with the term. I think this is where some of the problem lies. I wonder if chefs refuse the term because people tend to associate it with foams and spheres, and nothing else? Even I would refuse the term then if cooking was my profession and I wouldn&#8217;t want to be associated with gimmickery.</p>
<p>As a chemist I think &#8220;molecular gastronomy&#8221; is an OK term as long as we define it. It&#8217;s a concept that lives it&#8217;s life somewhere inbetween science and cooking, so I don&#8217;t think it shouldn&#8217;t be interpreted in a strict chemical sense.</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;m most interested in how science can improve my cooking at home. After all this is where I eat most of my meals. The result should either be something that tastes better in a broad sense, or perhaps a more fool proof and robust procedure.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Plotnicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Plotnicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a purely consumer perspective, the problem with molecular gastronomy is that the chefs who practice it are interested in applying the techniques to unique aesthetic exressions rather than to use it to simply improve the way we eat everyday food.  If they placed a greater emphasis on consumer satisfaction rather than artistic expression, they would have a lot more commercial success using the technique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a purely consumer perspective, the problem with molecular gastronomy is that the chefs who practice it are interested in applying the techniques to unique aesthetic exressions rather than to use it to simply improve the way we eat everyday food.  If they placed a greater emphasis on consumer satisfaction rather than artistic expression, they would have a lot more commercial success using the technique.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan J. Iruin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan J. Iruin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is, are we refusing what the MG means in terms of a new approach to cooking or solely the pure term?. For me, the inclusion of the adjective &quot;molecular&quot; is difficult to accept for people having backgrounds in chemistry, biochemistry or physics. And Hervé This should have recognized the incorrect use of this word from the beginnings of the MG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is, are we refusing what the MG means in terms of a new approach to cooking or solely the pure term?. For me, the inclusion of the adjective &#8220;molecular&#8221; is difficult to accept for people having backgrounds in chemistry, biochemistry or physics. And Hervé This should have recognized the incorrect use of this word from the beginnings of the MG.</p>
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		<title>By: Daryl Rosenblatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daryl Rosenblatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s time to thing of cooking the way we now think of physics, which at one time was simply &quot;natural philosophy.&quot; Then Newton came along, but then, so did Einstein, then Wheeler, and so on. So now we have Classical Physics, Relativistic Physics, Quantum Physics, and so on.

So how about: we had Classic Cooking, which was learning what would kill us and not, Ethnic cooking, which was applying various techniques and ingredients tried around the world, but now available anywhere, and Molecular Gastronomy, which is now a refinement of chemistry and physics to further alter substances for human consumption, in ways that Classic and Ethnic cooking cannot achieve. Like trying to explain M Theory to Isaac Newton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s time to thing of cooking the way we now think of physics, which at one time was simply &#8220;natural philosophy.&#8221; Then Newton came along, but then, so did Einstein, then Wheeler, and so on. So now we have Classical Physics, Relativistic Physics, Quantum Physics, and so on.</p>
<p>So how about: we had Classic Cooking, which was learning what would kill us and not, Ethnic cooking, which was applying various techniques and ingredients tried around the world, but now available anywhere, and Molecular Gastronomy, which is now a refinement of chemistry and physics to further alter substances for human consumption, in ways that Classic and Ethnic cooking cannot achieve. Like trying to explain M Theory to Isaac Newton.</p>
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